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NickSeth 1st November 2004, 06:34 PM hi, where can i get a singapura cat.
its so hard to find and most shops i ask don't bring it in...
so ironic that its si difficult to get a singapura cat in singapore.
oh, i know its gonna be ex, but anyne has an idea how much i shld expect? coz i dun wana be ripped off. thanks a mill
heartkiel 1st November 2004, 08:10 PM The Singapura cat is not native to Singapore regardless of what certain media likes to portray. They are relatively rare and this is why the pet shops are unable to bring them in, because no responsible breeder is going to cart his cats off to a pet shop where he will not know what becomes of them.
There is only one breeder of Singapuras in Singapore and that is felixyeo. You can pm him here or email him thru his website, temasekcattery.com.
Pedigree cats should come with papers from a registered cat body and a family tree with a 5 generation pedigree.Care is taken into ensuring that the breeding cats are of the best quality. For further information, please contact felix. You may ask him the price and any other questions you have on cats.
sufiyan86 6th November 2004, 10:48 PM hmm don't you think its wierd, Singapura cats is said to native from singapore(our beloved country), but there it is hardy we see them in our residential area..?? :( hmm what could be the reason? :boggled: instead we have more local stray cat than Singapura cats... :eek:
heartkiel 6th November 2004, 11:26 PM they're not native... they were developed in america. just a pr move by the originator of the breed. to make them seem more exotic? there was some controversy abt the breed. the originators claim its a naturally occuring breed but what is more likely to have taken place is tt its a cross between abyssinians,burmese and,like they claim, a few singaporean cats. anyway...its a beautiful breed..lets not take any credit away from it. ;)
felixyeo 11th November 2004, 12:15 AM small correction here....actually, when Tommy Meadows (she recently passed away) started this new breed, it is true that there is no such breed but in 1980s there was a USA breeder named Gerry Mayes who came to Singapore.
With the help of the Singapore Cat Club President Lucy Koh and some of the members, they caught about 20-30 local cats that have similiarities of the breed standard like the sepia coat, big ears and big eyes, eyes color - green, yellow and hazel, triangular face, nose lining salmon nose, barrings on the leg etc etc etc.
The reason for bring our local cats back was the original foundation stocks from Tommy were starting to develop genetics breakdown and dying like sick animals as most of the cats were inbred.
So by introducing our local cats to the foundation stocks, it actually helped the breed get stronger and stronger but there is only about 2000 Singapura around the world and I have 3 now and 1 more coming.
In fact, my friend loved the cats so much that he has just bought one from me and is now being mentored by me to be a breeder.
I am luck as I know Lucy Koh personally and have all the documentation to prove what have been happening throughout the years.
As the only Singapura breeder in Singapore, I am also the Breed Ambassador and will be able to provide all information about this cat.
So let me know if you need any other information about this unique breed and we need to be proud as we really do have our local cats blood being introduced back to the founding stock.
I am working on getting this breed more recognized in Singapore and will be working much harder next year with promotions.
sufiyan86 11th November 2004, 10:00 PM good job there bro felix, hope that you suceed in making Singapura cats well known in our country, :D all the best n wish you luck bro. ;)
heartkiel 11th November 2004, 11:03 PM felix i tot tts at the later part? i tot the many cats they brought back was to introduce new genes cos the lines hv become too inbred? i tot at first they took 3 from 'port of loyang' according to books...
elmo 12th November 2004, 12:55 PM Well I ve seen some Singapura cats and I think they look like some of the local stray cats. I would not pay a high price for a cat that we can find it straying.Since they are only one colour which is recognised, so will all the litter will have that paticular colour?If not, what happen to the litter which come out different colour?To the drain?Cause it would look like the strays.Would you pay high price for that? Not me.
felixyeo 12th November 2004, 07:26 PM the truth was that the inbreeding created a lot of genetic breakdown and the kittens were dropping like flies, hence, Gerry Mayes came to Singapore to "adopt" from the streets of Singapore, cats that had similar coat, ears, eyes, nose and other trademark features of the Singapura.
the intention was to breed back to the founding stocks to create stronger lines and it worked and since then, the Singapura are now a stronger cat compared to the late 80s.....
on Elmo's question, you are almost correct, the Singapura is breed to the required standards set by CFA and the Worldwide Cat Body, unfortunately, our alley cats don't have the entire markings required, some of similarities and that's all.
you are also correct, why should you pay an expensive price for the cats, if you haven't had the chance to be close to carry them, you will not under their personality and for some of the people that had a chance to see my Singapura, they will concur, this is a very unique cat and they are very lap and doglike.....
elmo 12th November 2004, 10:37 PM FYI Felix, Ive have been close and personal and even have the chance to play with Singapura.
Not to mention carry them.
I believe that there is a few not many strays look like it.
I personally have seen them. The texture, the markings and some of our strays here is a lap cat and can also follow you from room to room.
They also have big eyes and big ears.
As for my question on the offcolour, what you do with them?
Cause if you put them on the streets no one will notice it is a Singapura or strays Singapura...hehehe
when you tell people this is Singaupra and bought it at an expensive price,I think 90% would say that you have gone crazy.
Anyway best of luck for your breeding our so called Singapura.
felixyeo 12th November 2004, 10:56 PM so you must be one of those nice people that had come by to the Singapore Zoological Gardens in which I had the National Day Celebrations with.
i am not sure if i had the chance to meet you to explain to you about the cats, if you said that you had the chance to play with them? i don't remember you asking me about offcolor in anywhere in this posting.
well you are not wrong about them looking like our strays but unfortunately SINGAPORE is not the market as no one here appreciates them, only the overseas market likes them and appreciates them. what to do as i am not doing it for the local market, rather be a proud Singaporean breeder with the National Cat that was named after our great country and that's fine with me.
felixyeo 12th November 2004, 11:05 PM Well I ve seen some Singapura cats and I think they look like some of the local stray cats. I would not pay a high price for a cat that we can find it straying.Since they are only one colour which is recognised, so will all the litter will have that paticular colour?If not, what happen to the litter which come out different colour?To the drain?Cause it would look like the strays.Would you pay high price for that? Not me.
okay just saw your question - yes, they will be in one color, there is no way that you will have a different color unless you are breeding it to another breed other than the Singapura....
CFA and all worldwide cat bodies don't allow outcross to other breeds as the standards is the holy grail and standards must be adhered too.
and if you have proper breeding foundation stocks, you will be almost guaranteed with good litters but you can never be sure what Mother Nature will give you except that you need to cover all bases as a breeder.
elmo 12th November 2004, 11:07 PM I am sorry, i am not at the Singapore zoo.I did it at somewhere else.Cant tell you at the moment.
Still want to know about the offcolour?
I think there are still some misunderstanding as why they name it as Singapura rite?
Why dont we call our strays Singapura rather than take some of our strays and bring it somewhere else and crossbreed it then return it back to Singapore.
Sounds not original?
elmo 12th November 2004, 11:11 PM okay just saw your question - yes, they will be in one color, there is no way that you will have a different color unless you are breeding it to another breed other than the Singapura....
CFA and all worldwide cat bodies don't allow outcross to other breeds as the standards is the holy grail and standards must be adhered too.
and if you have proper breeding foundation stocks, you will be almost guaranteed with good litters but you can never be sure what Mother Nature will give you except that you need to cover all bases as a breeder.
So that mean there is no 100% guarantee rite? So what hapen to the poor kitten then?
felixyeo 12th November 2004, 11:31 PM i am surprised that there is another person who had bought them into singapore and i am surprised that someone else is as crazy as me to bring them in.
as for our alley cats, they do look very similar to the ones in China and also Taiwan as i travel frequently to those two countries for business trip and it would be difficult to call them singapura as they can be found there too.
on offcolor, there is no chance that the color is different unless you outcross them to other breed which is not allowed by CFA or any other worldwide cat bodies.
when i mean Mother Nature, i mean, you may have still born, deformed kittens or even kink tails, i have been very lucky so far as i buy good breeding stocks and pay expensive for them and also study their bloodline and other tricks of the trade before we as breeders will part with our $$$ to the overseas breeders and also we don't just buy from breeders we don't know, we also ask for reference, recommendations and many other things on the overseas breeders.
i also take my trips to visit the overseas breeders before i buy from them, these are some precautions i take, i am not sure about the other breeders.
anyway, i hope the person/s who had bought the other Singapura in, get in touch with me as i really like to know them, actually i was told that someone by the malay name was planning to purchase from the singapura breeder i know.
elmo 12th November 2004, 11:36 PM little correction here, I did not mentioned i did it in Singapore.
felixyeo 12th November 2004, 11:43 PM little correction here, I did not mentioned i did it in Singapore.
no worries on where you played with them, so long as you get the chance to play with them, most singaporeans are not as lucky as you to have travelled to a place for holiday and play with them.......
did you notice offcolor in the ones you saw or was the question just a curious one to ask?
sayangku81 13th November 2004, 07:20 AM All I can say that, its up to individual on likings on each breed....Need not for you to point out such a remarks on our National cats - Singapura Cats....I have personally play and hold Singapura cats too...They are lovely cats althought I have my own preference on other breeds...Pple who loves and have read about Singapuras wouldn't mind to pay on such a high price for that breed...Thats just my comment..:)
Stanley 13th November 2004, 11:08 AM Maybe to other who doesn't really know about cat breed that much, they will think that singapoura is no different from the stray cat in singapore. However, of cause there is different. Just look carefully you will notice that. If not there won't have such breed called Singapura. Whenever a cat is having their own outstanding look and pattern, they will be named. Just look at those pedigree cats, if noone tells you the breed is that, can you tell what is the breed? For those breeders and those ppl who know cat very well of cause they can. :)
For stray cats, due to they don't have a proper breeding process and no record on the breeding. They don't have their own outstanding look and pattern. Thats why we can't use particular breed name to them but just named them as stray cat. :)
FYI Felix, Ive have been close and personal and even have the chance to play with Singapura.
Not to mention carry them.
I believe that there is a few not many strays look like it.
I personally have seen them. The texture, the markings and some of our strays here is a lap cat and can also follow you from room to room.
They also have big eyes and big ears.
As for my question on the offcolour, what you do with them?
Cause if you put them on the streets no one will notice it is a Singapura or strays Singapura...hehehe
when you tell people this is Singaupra and bought it at an expensive price,I think 90% would say that you have gone crazy.
Anyway best of luck for your breeding our so called Singapura.
elmo 13th November 2004, 12:30 PM All I can say that, its up to individual on likings on each breed....Need not for you to point out such a remarks on our National cats - Singapura Cats....I have personally play and hold Singapura cats too...They are lovely cats althought I have my own preference on other breeds...Pple who loves and have read about Singapuras wouldn't mind to pay on such a high price for that breed...Thats just my comment..:)
I am mentioning my points and not to put remarks on our so called national cats. If you ask around those people who have been living with strays cats they will say the same thing too.Ive met few of them. sorry to say.My point is why our stray is not called Singapura rather than some cats brought over somewhere and x-breed them and wow we called it Singapura. I think Felix is profesional enough to my opinion.Its just like some of our Singaporean go to other countries get married there and then reproduce,shall we call their children Singaporean too(example).Like I said it is only my opinion and I think we are free to voice out our opinion rite.
elmo 13th November 2004, 12:49 PM no worries on where you played with them, so long as you get the chance to play with them, most singaporeans are not as lucky as you to have travelled to a place for holiday and play with them.......
did you notice offcolor in the ones you saw or was the question just a curious one to ask?
It is just out of curiosity.at that time there is only two kitten and both are so called show quality.Anyway I understand that Singapura are workaholic and can produce a lot.
sayangku81 13th November 2004, 02:25 PM :rolleyes:
No one stopping you from saying what u wanna say...
I am mentioning my points and not to put remarks on our so called national cats. If you ask around those people who have been living with strays cats they will say the same thing too.Ive met few of them. sorry to say.My point is why our stray is not called Singapura rather than some cats brought over somewhere and x-breed them and wow we called it Singapura. I think Felix is profesional enough to my opinion.Its just like some of our Singaporean go to other countries get married there and then reproduce,shall we call their children Singaporean too(example).Like I said it is only my opinion and I think we are free to voice out our opinion rite.
heartkiel 13th November 2004, 08:55 PM wel elmo, i guess most people who call their local cats singapuras are not well informed enough. i've seen many ads where ppl advertise 'singapura' kittens, and they are really just the local cats,and their owners have failed to exercise their responsibilities and allowed their cat to have a litter..and these ads are desperate cries for someone to come and take them. a few months ago on this forum there was a guy advertising a singapura litter n he was quite desperate to get rid of them. i'm sure u noe we cant give a definite name to our local cats cos they conform to no standard and they come in a variety of shapes n sizes. again,its no one's fault tt the originators have chosen to name the breed after the place where they obtained their foundation cats. i guess the point here is that we learn to love our own strays and remember that while we each have our preference on breed, lets not forget these cats closer to home.
Stanley 15th November 2004, 01:42 AM elmo, a pedigree cat and local stray cat is totally different. why ppl called pedigree cat because they are pure blood line, they have records on the breeding process. For local stray cat is no record of their breeding. They can illegal outcross to other breeds and inbreeding, which until you can't tell what breed is it when you look at them. Please go and read more about pedigree cats, they are having their own unit color and patterns. Once pple look at them, they can tell what breed is it.
Super 15th November 2004, 01:56 AM Doesn’t mean that all the local stray cats in Singapore is singapura. Than all the cats can call malayura lah. :mischievo
elmo 15th November 2004, 04:45 PM Doesn’t mean that all the local stray cats in Singapore is singapura. Than all the cats can call malayura lah. :mischievo
Please try to understand what i am trying to say here before making that statement.
elmo 15th November 2004, 04:51 PM elmo, a pedigree cat and local stray cat is totally different. why ppl called pedigree cat because they are pure blood line, they have records on the breeding process. For local stray cat is no record of their breeding. They can illegal outcross to other breeds and inbreeding, which until you can't tell what breed is it when you look at them. Please go and read more about pedigree cats, they are having their own unit color and patterns. Once pple look at them, they can tell what breed is it.
Hi Stanley, let me tell you something, I ve read a lot of books, browse through the net, talk to responsible and also backyard breeder and also live with my mother who breed persian. So just because you are a registered breeder for few years, it seems that you know everything, and what you say is true and correct.Everybody else is a newbie to you.Like I always say everybody is still learnig and you would not stop learning until you die. So by talking to everybody in this forum is always learning new things.
elmo 15th November 2004, 04:57 PM Doesn’t mean that all the local stray cats in Singapore is singapura. Than all the cats can call malayura lah. :mischievo
By the way Super, I think I know who you are. You are one of........only using different nick.Sorry if I am wrong. By the way you keep cats? What breed? Maybe can see some photos.
Stanley 15th November 2004, 11:07 PM Hi elmo, OIC so you are one of the non register breeder and you mentioned that you have read alot from the books and net, thats good. :goldfish: Base on the previous threads that you have made with Felix, It seems that you have up to something when you mentioned that you saw the singapura somewhere but can’t tell exactly where is it. Than Felix posted another question, you said is not in Singapore, isn’t strange. Wonder!
BTW, I’m here just to share my knowledge to everyone and I’m always keep learning on those things that I’m not familiar with. thank you :)
Hi Stanley, let me tell you something, I ve read a lot of books, browse through the net, talk to responsible and also backyard breeder and also live with my mother who breed persian. So just because you are a registered breeder for few years, it seems that you know everything, and what you say is true and correct.Everybody else is a newbie to you.Like I always say everybody is still learnig and you would not stop learning until you die. So by talking to everybody in this forum is always learning new things.
PutehKing 16th November 2004, 12:35 AM Doesn’t mean that all the local stray cats in Singapore is singapura. Than all the cats can call malayura lah. :mischievo
Keep cool bros
:hug:
PutehKing 16th November 2004, 12:36 AM Why fight over a pussy? :D
sayangku81 16th November 2004, 07:58 AM I guess things are cool here, just that some pple are asking a question, and a question is being answered and still purposely dun undertstand....And when u already know the answer, why purposely ask??...instead of asking question, why dun u explain to newcomers and to some forumers like us??,...at least we also gain some knowledge what??....Elmo, seriously...I dunno what is ur intentions....;)
elmo 16th November 2004, 08:05 AM Hi elmo, OIC so you are one of the non register breeder and you mentioned that you have read alot from the books and net, thats good. :goldfish: Base on the previous threads that you have made with Felix, It seems that you have up to something when you mentioned that you saw the singapura somewhere but can’t tell exactly where is it. Than Felix posted another question, you said is not in Singapore, isn’t strange. Wonder!
BTW, I’m here just to share my knowledge to everyone and I’m always keep learning on those things that I’m not familiar with. thank you :)
Whatever you say Mr Stanley.I am getting very tired and frustrating with some people in this forum already who I believe CANT TAKE OTHERS OPINION.THIS IS WAHT i CALLED KIASI(if the spelling is correct). Is good to have that kind of principle as long it use for good.
Some clariffication:
I said my mother who breed persian and not me(please read carefully before comment).Yes,it is not registered and is it something wrong?I think there are a lot of them out there and they have been breeding for centuries.The xperience that we need.And they dont sell their kitten or if they sell, they sell it very cheap which cater to Singaporean who wants a nice kitten and could not afford to get it from REGISTERED BREEDER who sell almost their one month salary.Not all are rich rite?
About my discussion with Felix, I did not targeting at Felix or Singapura cats. That is only my opinion.Is it wrong to voice my opinion?I am glad Felix understand it.Anyway SOMEWHERE also means anywhere in this world rite? (Again read and understand carefully before comments).
In this forum, people have misunderstand me, Some accuse me of pet shop owner and now a backyard breeder. I wonder what next.
Lastly,EVERYBODY IS FREE TO GIVE OPINION AND SUGGESTION AND DISCUSSION IN THE FORUM.FORUM, TO WHAT I BELIEVE IS NOT THE PLACE FOR MARKETING WHETHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.
I am sorry, it is out of topic, but please let this forum be free to dicuss our points and just not to listen to whatever one says.
Please, lets comeback to cats discussion.
elmo 16th November 2004, 08:09 AM I guess things are cool here, just that some pple are asking a question, and a question is being answered and still purposely dun undertstand....And when u already know the answer, why purposely ask??...instead of asking question, why dun u explain to newcomers and to some forumers like us??,...at least we also gain some knowledge what??....Elmo, seriously...I dunno what is ur intentions....;)
Sayangku, like I said it again and again there are no intention at all. It is a discussion and dont you understand a discussion mean.I f you see all my thread I never acussed anybody or saying bad about anybody.It is just an opan DISCUSSION.Please understand the word propperly and dont be blinded.
sayangku81 16th November 2004, 08:28 AM Elmo, u make urself not to understand not me & to some forumers in here...hehhehe....Selling a kittens at a very cheap price and to a strangers....Hemmmm....I wonder whether will the kittens will be out on streets...I mean, abdanon by their new owner...Not systematic at all....Proffesional breeders sell at a high price but safe....
elmo 16th November 2004, 08:33 AM Yes maybe because you are well off and can afford expensive cats but how about those who are not.Meaning they cant be a cat lover?I think with these peolple they will treasure the cats even more as they are using their hard earned money.How sure you are this people will put their cats on the streets.
sayangku81 16th November 2004, 08:45 AM Elmo, read around about those backyard breeders.....I felt so hurt when I see some of those beauty kitties are being abdanon by their damn owners...Some are persians, ragdolls...Those kitty are bought from some breeders (not the registered breeders)...Recent case, my friend just rescue & rehome a beautiful ragdoll...Adult ragdoll...Ex-owner abandon and move out....Some expats bought a persian from breeders, when their time to go back to their country, they just dump the kitty to some cats home (I do not want to mention the cats home)...by saying that they want to place the kittens for time being.....after that they gone missing, and the kitty is stuck in there waiting for new owner...I guess thats why our proffessional breeders sell at the high price...so that the new owner buy with a heartpain when they think to abandon their kitty..also when they purchase they have to sign a contract....U should start going around to those cats home like cWS, pets villa etccc...there u will see alot of beautiful cats being abdanon by their ex-owners....u can see a cross breed persians, cross breed ragdolls, cross breed siamese....etccc....Cat Lover comes in 2 category...Permanent Real cat lover and temp cat lover ..... Do you interview ur cat buyer, do you know their background, etccccc...
jebatwira1 16th November 2004, 08:51 AM Hi Catlovers,
In the spirit of Hari Raya, Let make this chatroom a friendly place for all catlovers to exchange ideas, experience, knowledge etc.... Peace No War...
To all muslim & non-muslim catlovers, "Selamat Hari Raya Aidilfitri", Let us forgive each others and make this chatroom a friendly environment...
Yes maybe because you are well off and can afford expensive cats but how about those who are not.Meaning they cant be a cat lover?I think with these peolple they will treasure the cats even more as they are using their hard earned money.How sure you are this people will put their cats on the streets.
elmo 16th November 2004, 09:15 AM Yes I very much agree with you Sayangku.Thre are so many x breed here.But whaqt can we do? Do you think that all the persian, ragdoll or siamese is thrown to the streets by the cat bought over backyard breeder. Do you have any prove yet? Or maybe by one look you know where the cat originally comes from?Dont just assume without prove. At this momment I am keeping my option open.Is your last q refer to me. If yes, I am not a breeder so I cant answer that.I am not also a pet shop owner. FYI. Just somebody like you, cats lover.........
heartkiel 16th November 2004, 01:52 PM :) selamat hari raya jebatwira..nice to c u back for a bit..
sufiyan86 17th November 2004, 09:04 PM yeah, agree with jebat wira, :yes: to all muslim and non-muslim, from pet lover to wild animal lover, Selamat Hari Raya. lets us forgive and forget about the past and start a fresh ones. i know it hard to forgive someone than saying sorry. so lets forgive each other....oops out of topic :o ..hehehe.. must forgive me ahh... :D
Super 17th November 2004, 10:46 PM Hahahaha… what a joke!!!… got mouth say others, no mouth say urself. (Hokkien translated) elmo you are pinpoint other accuse you but why you are accused me? Now I’m someone who log in as diff user? So what is next? I also wonder! Prove it to me before you open your big mouth? Plssss…lah dun just look at the sky from the well. Ppl here tried to explain what is the different between pedigree and stray (which anyhow cross breed) but just that you can’t and refused to accept other ppl advices and comments, than why wasting everyone times here. We are all adult and behave like an adult, we sharing useful knowledge here. Are you so sure Felix understood what you say? “My toes are also laughing” I guess he is just tried of repeating himself here since you are only believed to your own points. So what you mean is you read a lot but actually you don’t understand what is all about. But you since not to accept other good point, than what you want? Other can’t afford to buy expensive kitten from the register breeder… Plssss… name it out to prove it? Or are you referring to yourself? What is your level of expensive? If it’s expensive than dun buy lah… Dun buy won’t dead right! You can’t go and stop those registered breeder selling their kitten in high price, in fact that’s a reason. Why backyard breeders selling their kittens in a cheap price, because they used lousy kitten food to feed the kittens, no vaccination, no health check. Sell them away when they are just 1 or 2 months old as they are still needed their mother’s care. “THIS IS INHUMANE” Base on what you said about singapura cats, can tell that you are still don’t understand what they trying to tell you or I should say you are refused to understand what they trying to tell you. Down here no one is forcing you, this is a discussion forum. Go ahead with your own STANDARD OF STRAY PEDIGREE CATS. No one will stop you. New comers will read up those previous threads that you have.
Sayangku, keartkiel, Stanley and Felix, don’t waste your time… If he don’t accept it than forget it. Is good that you guys are here explaining and provide useful information to others. Educated others about what is real pedigree cats and stray cats, how to take care, what are the better thing to uses and feed, how to be a good breeder also. But not to those stubborn ppl. Say no more, up to what he want to be lah. if not someone will just say u guys are forcing him again.
coconut3 17th November 2004, 11:27 PM hey super,long time no see.u everytime copy my line,u no good lah,heeeee............wri te such a long essay must be tired,want some coconut juice?
JosieGal 18th November 2004, 08:25 AM Hmmmm...... felix, are you the only Singapura breeder in Singapore?
I enquire about a cat at Pet Station a few months back (not intending to buy, but just enjoy visiting petshops) and was told that it's a Singapura. It does have the colour of the one shown on your website. Don't really know about the breed, so I am not sure if it really is one.
But if yes, then maybe there are other Singapura breeders in Singapore also! ( from what I have read, i doubt you will liaise with pet shops! =P )
felixyeo 18th November 2004, 11:25 AM JosieGal, I don't sell to Pet Shop as I know the living conditions of the cats/kittens or even dogs/puppies, I will be pleasantly surprise if the Pet Shops are selling Singapura, if they are I will be very happy.
As for the fact that I am the only breeder that is True as I have not heard anyone making that statement, again, if there is I will be very happy as then I am not the only one but at least the FIRST to start the ball rolling.
I am a proud Singaporean and would be proud to have other Serious breeders working together to promote this breed back into Singapore but again this breed is not for Singaporean as they still think it looks like our alley cats, so it would be an uphill task, as for me, it is my hobby and no cats of mine will be "adopted" until I interview the potential owners.
But I heard from my own overseas network that someone is planning to buy in a pair and the person has a Malay name that was what I was told by the overseas breeder, I would be glad to hook up with him but the overseas breeder has yet to response to my email requesting for more information.
Frankly, I have don't visit Pet Shops as I feel very sad whenever I see the cats/kittens in their poor living environment, last Saturday, we were at Holland Village and had lunch there and my wife wanted to buy some toys and when we went to one of the pet shops there (I will not name the pet shop as it is not my business to critize them) and we saw 2 persian kittens and I believe no more than 2 months old 1 ash and the other black color in a very poor living condition.
JosieGal, since you live in Holland you would be able to tell which shop I am talking about but it is very sad to see kittens that young in a plastic living environment and they were playing with the newspaper that they are stepping and walking around on.
But I will check on Pet Station for that cat, which location is it. Do let me know as I am very interested to find out.
Stanley 18th November 2004, 12:01 PM Hi Super, Guess you are totally right. I will not wasting my time. thanks for advice. :D
Hahahaha… what a joke!!!… got mouth say others, no mouth say urself. (Hokkien translated) elmo you are pinpoint other accuse you but why you are accused me? Now I’m someone who log in as diff user? So what is next? I also wonder! Prove it to me before you open your big mouth? Plssss…lah dun just look at the sky from the well. Ppl here tried to explain what is the different between pedigree and stray (which anyhow cross breed) but just that you can’t and refused to accept other ppl advices and comments, than why wasting everyone times here. We are all adult and behave like an adult, we sharing useful knowledge here. Are you so sure Felix understood what you say? “My toes are also laughing” I guess he is just tried of repeating himself here since you are only believed to your own points. So what you mean is you read a lot but actually you don’t understand what is all about. But you since not to accept other good point, than what you want? Other can’t afford to buy expensive kitten from the register breeder… Plssss… name it out to prove it? Or are you referring to yourself? What is your level of expensive? If it’s expensive than dun buy lah… Dun buy won’t dead right! You can’t go and stop those registered breeder selling their kitten in high price, in fact that’s a reason. Why backyard breeders selling their kittens in a cheap price, because they used lousy kitten food to feed the kittens, no vaccination, no health check. Sell them away when they are just 1 or 2 months old as they are still needed their mother’s care. “THIS IS INHUMANE” Base on what you said about singapura cats, can tell that you are still don’t understand what they trying to tell you or I should say you are refused to understand what they trying to tell you. Down here no one is forcing you, this is a discussion forum. Go ahead with your own STANDARD OF STRAY PEDIGREE CATS. No one will stop you. New comers will read up those previous threads that you have.
Sayangku, keartkiel, Stanley and Felix, don’t waste your time… If he don’t accept it than forget it. Is good that you guys are here explaining and provide useful information to others. Educated others about what is real pedigree cats and stray cats, how to take care, what are the better thing to uses and feed, how to be a good breeder also. But not to those stubborn ppl. Say no more, up to what he want to be lah. if not someone will just say u guys are forcing him again.
elmo 18th November 2004, 03:24 PM Hahahaha… what a joke!!!… got mouth say others, no mouth say urself. (Hokkien translated) elmo you are pinpoint other accuse you but why you are accused me? Now I’m someone who log in as diff user? So what is next? I also wonder! Prove it to me before you open your big mouth? Plssss…lah dun just look at the sky from the well. Ppl here tried to explain what is the different between pedigree and stray (which anyhow cross breed) but just that you can’t and refused to accept other ppl advices and comments, than why wasting everyone times here. We are all adult and behave like an adult, we sharing useful knowledge here. Are you so sure Felix understood what you say? “My toes are also laughing” I guess he is just tried of repeating himself here since you are only believed to your own points. So what you mean is you read a lot but actually you don’t understand what is all about. But you since not to accept other good point, than what you want? Other can’t afford to buy expensive kitten from the register breeder… Plssss… name it out to prove it? Or are you referring to yourself? What is your level of expensive? If it’s expensive than dun buy lah… Dun buy won’t dead right! You can’t go and stop those registered breeder selling their kitten in high price, in fact that’s a reason. Why backyard breeders selling their kittens in a cheap price, because they used lousy kitten food to feed the kittens, no vaccination, no health check. Sell them away when they are just 1 or 2 months old as they are still needed their mother’s care. “THIS IS INHUMANE” Base on what you said about singapura cats, can tell that you are still don’t understand what they trying to tell you or I should say you are refused to understand what they trying to tell you. Down here no one is forcing you, this is a discussion forum. Go ahead with your own STANDARD OF STRAY PEDIGREE CATS. No one will stop you. New comers will read up those previous threads that you have.
Sayangku, keartkiel, Stanley and Felix, don’t waste your time… If he don’t accept it than forget it. Is good that you guys are here explaining and provide useful information to others. Educated others about what is real pedigree cats and stray cats, how to take care, what are the better thing to uses and feed, how to be a good breeder also. But not to those stubborn ppl. Say no more, up to what he want to be lah. if not someone will just say u guys are forcing him again.
Thank you for the long essay.Just remind me of someone .......Anyway lets close this thread lah.....so everybody can comeback to the real forum....
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